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By What Authority?

by Orthodox1 in

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the jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.

i know jws call themselves the "true christians".

by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?

rather be in hades

aint THAT the truth?

once again...we start off with...the question of how jws can claim they are the one and only

then somehow lanch into catholics being the one and only?

off the same book?

when they do the same things? i hate that cult with a passion and am disgusted entirely with the gb. that said, despite how horrific their monetary practices are....don't they still begrudgingly "donate" the occassional penny from their coffers to help others?

the irony in that is jst too much to start with, bt then the crying over persecution when they've done PLENTY of that themselves is just beyond ridiclous.

oh bt wait...others have done it so you can't blame us!

or

hey that was a long time ago! different time and era!

pullllllleeeeeeeeeeeze. before THAT time and era, their god was telling peter to put his sword back in his pants and refusing to defend himself when he could have called down fireballs from heaven. very christian of them, those catholic crusaders...

part of me feels kind of off for going so hard on catholicism. i've nothing against it, but the whole conversation is jsut beyond insulting. someone has to hit back for the slaughtered heathens

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By What Authority?

by Orthodox1 in

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the jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.

i know jws call themselves the "true christians".

by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?

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Rbih, I think you are the only one not getting the point here.

"So imagine the year is 1750 and a non-Christian who converts to Christ wishes to be faithful to Christ's instructions here. To which church should he go? Think about it....

Christ's Instructions:

Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, be merciful, love your neighbor and your enemy, confess your sins to one-another, eat my flesh and drink my blood, baptize all nations in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, "this is your mother" referring to Mary who says "all generations shall call me blessed", participate in the communion of saints, institution of the office of Peter as the head of the Church on earth....

YEP, SOUNDS LIKE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO ME! "

- orthodox1

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"The thing is Jesus didn’t found any Church, but he did say to Peter that he would build his congregation on him. It seems the Catholic Church (which also means Universal), is the only one that can honestly claim that was built on that rock mass, that is Peter."

-YOU

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"You are still attacking me and not caring for the topic. What gives anyone the authority to believe in what they want to believe over anyone elses beliefs?

I, of course, have a Catholic perspective (no hidden agenda here). I believe history, traditions, scripture, and reason all point to the Catholic faith.

Please tell me where I am wrong instead of accusing me of false humility and egocentricism, and whatnot. I'm not interested in your instults. I never once said I am being persecuted. I only made the observation that much hate is displayed through bigotry and typical religion-bashing. I can take it all day, and I will, hence I am still here ;) ...."

-orthodox1

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"King Solomon, the earlier martyrs were Christians, that means they followed Christ, same for anybody that follows his teachings nowadays.

People that claim to be Christians but don’t follow him, specially those in a position of teaching or shepherding others, are the wolves in sheep clothes he warned about.

His teachings are very simple, love God above all else and your neighbour as yourself."

-YOU

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"Maybe paganism was superior to the Bible. When Christopher Columbus arrived in America the Indians were practicing brutal human sacrifices. Maybe they should have been left alone.

Pagan morals are also much more fun than the Christian ones, just don’t expect the same level of spiritual development or even trustworthiness from a temple prostitute, than from a Christian. If you extrapolate this to the type of society they produce, you can see clearly which one is superior to the other."

-YOU and please tell me you see the HYPOCRISY in this and the last quote...from YOU

i can read just fine and i'm pretty sre i'm not the one confused here...

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By What Authority?

by Orthodox1 in

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the jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.

i know jws call themselves the "true christians".

by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?

rather be in hades

Rbih, I didn’t burn anyone myself, so don’t need any absolution, thanks.

don't recall saying you did and frankly, what you said was entirely irrelevant. you lot seem to think that you catholics have some sort of god given blessing to convert pagans. ok cool...many other religions feel the same way, but whatever. the issue i have with this assertion that CATHOLICS ARE THE ONE AND ONLY has to do with how far off from christ the church has been. really now...everywhere they've tried to convert has ended up in complete and total disaster for the poor natives. there's NO WAWY CHRIST IF HE WAS EVEN REAL WOULD APPROVE OF THAT.

if he were real and if he did what the bible claims, then he did NOT use the sword to convert. he didn't even uuse the sword at hand to prevent his own death. yet somehow christ is smiling with approval as native peoples were enslaved and wiped out? maybe you oughta pick up a history book steeped in reality and not the jewish fairytales in the bible. i'm trying to grow out my afro. i'll let you know if i get some divine super powers.

About the rest of your post, you seem a bit confused and I don’t have the time to disprove each and every one of your wrong conclusions.

history book. read one

science book as well apparently. i mean really. the garden of eden? the great flood? the parting of the red sea? turning water into wine? you realize wine has carbon in it as it's an alcohol. water...does not. that's just one of the many erroneous concepts in the bible and please please please prove to me that prostitution wasn't allowed by the catholic church. i'm DYING for that one.

i'm seriously flabbergasted how you could talk about the societies of pagan religions. buddhists are pagans according to the definition. you want to explain to me how they're society is any worse than catholic society?

Catholics don’t claim everyone has to follow their rules.

"The thing is Jesus didn’t found any Church, but he did say to Peter that he would build his congregation on him. It seems the Catholic Church (which also means Universal), is the only one that can honestly claim that was built on that rock mass, that is Peter."

i remember seeing this from somewhere...

Pagans did throw Christians to the lions so they were not so tolerant with them for some reason.

and christians have slaughtered their way around the globe. you really ought to read some history about south america. i find the notion of catholic's complaining about pagans being intolerant mind blowingly hypocritical.

Some other religions, and political groups are also very intolerant with people that don‘t think like they do.

do tell...i recall seeing this on this very thread:

"The thing is Jesus didn’t found any Church, but he did say to Peter that he would build his congregation on him. It seems the Catholic Church (which also means Universal), is the only one that can honestly claim that was built on that rock mass, that is Peter."

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By What Authority?

by Orthodox1 in

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the jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.

i know jws call themselves the "true christians".

by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?

rather be in hades

this whole convo is just freakin' weird

1. what athority for the jws to say they're the only one considering all the others?

- bs answer from the bible (and by that i mean a bs interpretation...not that the bible is bs, my feelings aside)

2. scriptre talking about giving and helping others...

________somehow that = catholics are the one and only?

i could have sworn that other chrches help others. i'm pretty sure mormons have a thing where some of that tithe money goes to helping other mormons who have lost their jobs. i'm pretty sure lutherans and baptists have hospitals. are catholics the ONLY group that have homeless shelters? are they the only ones with soup kitchens? are they the only ones who baptize or revere mary? really that WHOLE argument was laughable to say the least, bt whatever.

the the whole peter thing...ummm prove it?

then to go on the "we've been persecuted for blah blah blah centries" actually...i think the jews have a much longer history of persecution...lol and considering that scripture of jesus saying his followers would be hated, i find it hilarious that the religious group that's been hated on the MOST (see inquisitions, constantly being pummeled by groups taking their land, the holocaust (wasn't the current pope part of the HITLER YOUTH?), AND OF COURSE ALLLL THE TENSION IN THE MIDDLE EAST) the most hated religion on earth is also the religion that DOESN'T think jesus was anything special lmfao.

i find any writings about jesus, even the "eyewitness accounts" very sspicious. so these people REALLY witnessed some dude walking on water and bringing a few people back from the dead? honestly, why are we to believe them? frankly, they could have been much like governing body of jehovah's witnesses. lying and fleecing the flock in order to make while investing in miracle wheat and buying houses like beth sarim. sorry...meant the vatican and all the other buildings they own. i remember listening to a covington interview where he talked about rtherford and explained away beth sarim...he was obviously lying through his teeth or misremembering things in his old age. actually, it's really fnny...maybe they ARE the modern day gb.

churches all over the world built off citizens money yet owned by the church...sounds like kingdom halls, assembly halls and bethels built by donation money and owned by the gb)

excommnication (disfellowshipping)

sole source of salvation

inquisition (moyle...think that was his name, franz, the stories i'm hearing about bethel)

corrupt leaders (popes and gb)

sexual offense scandals

i think you get the point

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By What Authority?

by Orthodox1 in

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the jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.

i know jws call themselves the "true christians".

by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?

rather be in hades

Maybe paganism was superior to the Bible. When Christopher Columbus arrived in America the Indians were practicing brutal human sacrifices. Maybe they should have been left alone.

painting with a rather large brush aren't you? not all pagans did human sacrifices. really now...that's just gobstoppingly silly of you to even ATTEMPT to throw out there.

on top of that, half of your holy text has all kinds of animal sacrifices. sanctity of life...hmmmm

it's interesting you mention columbus...1492 was right in the middle of the inquisition as i understand it and considering that colmbus and company brought diseases that literally wiped out whole poplations of people...yes, i'd say they certainly would have been better off without any meddling.

and i'm also unsre how you figure they wouldn't have stopped that practice on their own. after all, eventually the catholic chrch reversed course on a few things. it took a while, bt eventally they stopped torturing non-believers. it took a REALLY long while, bt eventally they admitted the earth wasn't the center of the solar system, much less the universe. perhaps, just perhaps those heathens would have stopped mercilessly slaghtering one another for their pagan gods...

Pagan morals are also much more fun than the Christian ones, just don’t expect the same level of spiritual development or even trustworthiness from a temple prostitute, than from a Christian. If you extrapolate this to the type of society they produce, you can see clearly which one is superior to the other.

are you saying that there weren't catholic prostitutes? it's the oldest profession in the book lmao. i think you should read some of st. agustine's writings...catholic fellow, seemed to think prostitutes weren't so bad.

just remember, can't turn a ho into a housewife...

We are not in the middle ages anymore, even though some people seem to be stuck there. The Church doesn’t burn anyone these days. Protestants also did it at the time. Some totalitarian atheistic regimes still do it in the XXI century.

1) so since the protestants did it, that absolves you? we're not even talking about them, but it's funny you mention them. you do remember how protestantism came about right? luther and the 99 problems but a b***h aint one? sorry...that was jay z. he had some sort of thesis and was excommunicated for all the wrongs like selling free passes to sin and still get to heaven. kinda reminds me of how the jws work...

2) speaking of jws...we're not in the 1800s anymore, so that whole, "it's ending in 1914" business shouldn't apply.

3) i forgot to mention how we're not in the period between 1914-1919 anymore so that shouldn't count either.

4) and while i'm at it...we're not even in the 20th century anymore, how dare anyone mention 1925 and 1975? oh and now that certain blood fractions are ok, surely it's not cool to talk about how people died from not having transfusions. or organ transplants, or were pushed into not getting a higher education.

5) going back to point 1...since the jws are having a sexual abuse scandal, i guess that gives catholics a free pass?

6) now that i think of it, i'm pretty sure there's a lot of pagans TODAY who don't practice human sacrifices anymore. why are you still living in the past?

i don't have issues with catholics at all, frankly i see them in a much better light than jws for sure, but for anyone to claim they have the ONE religion and that everyone has to follow THEIR guidelines is beyond nuts, especially when you've come out of the jws. this is the sort of thinking that strips homosexuals of their RIGHT to enter into a consensual relationship and marriage with all the benefits that are their RIGHT. this is the sort of oppressive thinking forces square pegs into round holes which ultimately damage the peg.

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Is this the new Jehovah's Witness District Convention venue ? Only 2,500 at an assembly hall ?

by Balaamsass in

this staten island, new york city news article came up on "google alerts" this am.

is new york city leading the way...tiny conventions at assembly halls ?.

jehovah's witness convention next weekendpublished: saturday, august 18, 2012, 5:41 am updated: saturday, august 18, 2012, 5:42 am by maura grunlundstaten island advance.

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are we sure it's 385 conventions? maybe the article is mixing up conventions and assemblies? nless that's the theme of the dc this year.

if it is a dc and the district is just union city, bayonne and staten island...i think i could see it being 2500...

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Amish enjoy an unexpected boon in numbers

by King Solomon in

this cannot be encouraging to those calling for the downfall and demise of jws; notice how the increasing cultural rift encourages a growth in the amish community members.

will jws go the luddite route to avoid the threat of education and culture, or will they just continue with the "guarding your hearts" approach?.

from washington times:.

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it's interesting you mention this.

i've tried talking to my aunt about my issues coming out of the jw cult and i tried asking her how she'd feel ifmy mother whisked me away to go live like the amish. lol

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Which apple do you like the most?

by Iamallcool in

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rather be in hades

withot a doubt...fuji.

and not juust any fuji apples, i'm talking about the ones you have to go to the japanese markets to buy.`

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By What Authority?

by Orthodox1 in

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the jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.

i know jws call themselves the "true christians".

by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?

rather be in hades

first and foremost, i have nothing against religion. i am not religious, but you may believe whatever you want. i do take issue with cults obviously...having come out of one that wrecked my childhood and mentally brought me to my knees.

You see things very differently than history does... I see the Catholic Church, over hundreds of years, slowly assuming all of the Roman Pagan world into herself, destroying the Pagan world as it was known, that stood for a thousand years as oppressors. The evil Romans weren't then Evil Roman Catholics, but were converted through the love and prayers of the martyrs and laity of the Church.

what exactly is pagan? if you are talking about religions not based on the bible, or native religions...that seems rather presumptuous and egotistic of you to ASSUME that they are wrong and you are right, especially in light of the complete and total lack of evidence that ANY of those miracles actually happened.

great flood?

adam and eve?

garden of eden?

mltiple ressurections?

as i said, you can believe whatever you like, but ASSUMING that you have the right religion and that it is somehow your right and duty to "destroy the pagan world" as you so lovingly put it, is wrong and there's no other way to put it.

what i also find funny is how you can call so and so oppressors, but you apparently don't seem to recall the glorious inquisitions that the catholic church used to stamp out other people's beliefs. you would do well to read more about the history of the catholic chrch in south and central america as well. hardly loving i would say.

i believe i recall the actual (if he were even real) christ telling peter to put away his sword. i recall the bible saying jesus told his followers to forgive up to 77 times. the period after catholocism became the state religion were very much against that concept. so were the crusades, etc

Pick up a copy of City of God, by St. Augustine so you can read from a primary source (seeing as he was writing as events were unfolding) how the Catholics were put to death by the Roman Pagans, how the Barbarians slaughtered the Romans but spared the Christians out of respect for the divine man, Jesus. The Catholic Church did not become Roman, but Roman became Catholic. To say otherwise is just a total disregard for truth.

and yet they turned around and killed those that didn't agree with them. the witch hunts were a fascinating piece of history. of course i say this as someone who wasn't a victim...

Should a murderer convert to the Church tomorrow, I pray you have the intellectual honestly to understand that the Church isn't of murderers, but of men who were once murderers who have found truth and salvation through the Church Jesus established, for he said, "Upon this Rock, I will build my Church, not churches, bibles, or foundations, but one single Church for all his disciples. And why wouldn't He?

1) how do you know christ even existed? are we to honestly believe someone raised others from the dead? turned water into wine and miraculously healed the sick? why is this not done today as a testament to the power and love of god/christ? in the information age, i can only imagine how powerful a testimony it would be for god to shout from the heavens that the catholic chrch is HIS chrch, in mch the same way he shouted from the heavens that christ was HIS son.

2) given the bloody history of the catholic church, can we honestly say that jesus would approve of it? would jesus approve of so much corruption throughout the centuries? how would he feel about the sexual abuse scandals and why on earth wouldn't he prevent that? we're talking kids for godssake. innocent kids who should never be harmed in such a way. why wouldn't christ prevent that from happening in HIS church? especially if that would deter/turn off ANY to catholocism. seems like a rather large stmbling block to me and i don't think the bible says anything good about stmbling others.

God is not a God of confusion or shortsightedness. He does all things with purpos, like establishing His Church on earth. It would be a very cruel thing for a loving God to create tens of thousands of competing churches when he prayed that they all be one body with one head.

this is an intersting point. i go back and forth whether i believe in god. right now, i'm vvery mch hoping there is one. i can't conceive that god would purposely stumble and confse those who want to worship him. on this we agree. so why would god create a text that led to so many other denominations? the bible is said to be a technical manual of sorts. something that would guide you through life and show you the right way to worship god yes? if that's the case, god totally failed tech writing 101 because there's a ridiculoust amount of christian sects all basing their beliefs on the same book. on top of that, we don't even get the original copy to go back to in order to properly interpret the bible. add to the fact that it no longer fits into what we KNOW as far as human sexuality, human psychology and frankly...reality. once again, i go back to jesus healing the sick, jonah and the whale/fish/shark/whatever-you-want-to-call-it, the great flood, the garden of eden, ressurections, fireballs from heaven, jericho, the red sea and the plagues...yet nothing miraculous happens today. there's zero physical evidence that any miracle in the bible happened, there's no factual reason to say your religion is any less false than those of the natives who were oppressed and wiped out by the christians. i'm 100000% certain that if christ were real, he certaily wouldn't approve or give his blessing to a group that used tortre and death to puush his word. i think he wanted his disciples to preach, not conduct an inquisition. in conclusion, i would like to leave you with this quote i happen to like: "the bible is right and all your native culture is wrong" just seemed fitting

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Calling All Insect Hating Gun Lovers!

by Diest in

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the bug-a-salt looks like too much fun to pass up.. a pump air shot gun that shoots table salt to kill flies.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oyl-lm9a6u&feature=player_embedded#!.

pre order yours at http://bugasalt.com/.

it was too funny...i had to post it..

rather be in hades

this might be the greatest invention ever. i want one for xmas